I've been treated pretty horribly by a few guilds over the past months but nothing compares to the way Enthack responds. He is totally selfish and short-sighted, not caring one bit about those around him. Today I asked him why Pikkurinku's alt could join an Ulduar 10, and I should be left out, again, and he just got nasty with me right away. I know he's been looking for an excuse to kick me, and how he acted made it all the more obvious. I don't know what it was like before, but right now this guild is a horrid place to be. I had to repeatedly voice myself to even get a fair look-in, and now I get kicked just for asking for some fairness.

As a leader you are a disgrace Enthack, you are giving your guild a bad reputation

*kicked for standing up for herself while being dictated to*

I do feel as though the leadership role stresses him out some deal, but if he can't handle that he definitely should not be leading.


Edited by Nyxa at August 16th, 2009 - 2:55 pm

lol jk!

He is evil, I know

btw new record of ppl online on forums!

Edited by Artemax at August 16th, 2009 - 4:10 pm

lolled

Ill give Spa a 5 for the effort. He is clearly not in his former shape though. I mean, only 1 hate post?!

Now I know I have been away for a while and probably know that I shouldn't join anyone side in this.

But all I gotta say is that I have known Spa (Enthack) since the Burning Crusade, even him and I have had our up and downs, but when you get to know him he can be a really nice guy. And when people gets on his nerves he ain't the person who sits with the troubles in his head and thinks about it. He tells the people the problem right away. This I know might not be the best way of dealing with shit in most occations, but look at Lotto, it have kept alive since TBC and is still doing good and I think it would have been different with an other leader.

And about people questioning Spa's leading, that have been question multiple times, and he have always said he knows this and he is more than happy to let someone else take the roll and I have never seen anyone actually do this. HE have been leading this guild since TBC and I think he will keep doing so for quite some time. Reason is that he always is prepaired for everything, than I mean everything. He is always here, I have seen him offline during some raids, but he have always had good reasons. I have only seen him leave a in progress raid a few times, some of them for being completly pissed at people playing like asses, but most of them for actually being sick or something like that. And when I mean he is always there, he is there both prepaired and focused for playing. I know I wasn't always prepaired when I joined raid with him, and I even had more spare time than he did with his job and all.

So all I say is that people who think Spa is a jerk are right, but they might also considering changing themselves, because he is only a jerk to people who is totally ignorant towards him or other people

So, that was all from the fat cow who have been hiding in the woods the last weeks

All that I can say is that he has been pretty unfair to me for the majority, which only improved when I first complained about it. Now he has simply lost his temper and just acted stupidly. I can tell that he didn't like me complaining, but then did he expect me to just sit back and accept being left out of everything? I have been ready and prepared night after night without a single exception, and all I get for that is a kick in the teeth. If I am doing nothing wrong, and being treated unfairly, I am definitely going to complain about it, even if it gets on my leader's nerves, because otherwise that is just stupid =s

Unfortunately he can't see past his own oversized nose to understand somebody else's position. I joined this guild to raid, not to be put second priority to a guild that I left because they also left me out without any good reason.

And believe me, this is not hate-mail in any sense.. it's a statement of concern about the leadership after he has directly abused his position, to spite at me.

Would never want this guy being my guild master!: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIdm-fTaEEM

Ive been in a few guilds and a couple of hardcore ones so Ive had my fair share of crazy guild masters, enthack doesnt stand out in that pile. I just think that some people got to calm down a bit, I think if people would put themselves in the officers situation at this time they would understand a bit more what they have to deal with everyday. And this isnt their job, they dont get paid for this, but they spend so much time in making sure WE have a good time. We just need to play the fucking game while they have to do so much more. Im just saying that we got to respect that, and not think that we are on the top of the world.

Dont know if this affects your situation Nyxa but personally you seemed like a nice person and a good player so gl in your future adventures.

I really do understand the position that the officers are in, but really Enthack brought this on himself with the merge between Chapter and Lotto. Before he kicked me he made it pretty clear that part of the merge was giving them priority over me, which isn't fair considering I did apply through the regular means with the intent of getting a fair raiding place. Whenever I tell people about the situation this put me in, they tell me I should just leave because it's so ridiculously unfair. I know that with the guild being so overcrowded it makes it difficult to be fair to everyone, it's just when raid after raid I get left out that it gets upsetting =( I gave the guild a chance before I complained to Enthack in the outset, and only then because things hadn't improved. He also made it pretty obvious to me why he was being so harsh towards me, because I would be vying for the same raiding space as his friend(s). Ultimately even though they don't get paid or anything, they choose to remain as officers and leaders, and if they can't handle the stress and discipline of organising things fairly then they should not be officers/leaders. Enthack said to me that I don't fit in, I am pretty sure he really meant that he simply didn't like me, but I have a decent relationship with most other members of the guild, and was still pretty new. It seems like the only reason he doesn't like me is that I complain when I'm being mistreated.. that is definitely not the way a guild should be run. If I have to voice my distress at all then clearly something is wrong =s

Thanks Zortra, you seemed like a nice person as well, and it's really the fact that I know there are a lot of lovely people left in Lotto that makes me feel directly concerned. I really am a very nice person, I just can't take being treated unfairly.. it's been going on for so long, largely with the officers of Chapter to blame as well, at least for the sheer extent of time. I have always been ready and available, on-time to raid, even having read over the tactics for the new bosses as soon as they're available =s I have been polite and courteous, not pointing fingers and only trying to just get a fair chance to raid =s I know that Enthack took my first complaint personally, but he has to understand that as leader he is a figurehead position and is going to attract most of the complaints. Even then I did not point fingers at him, I stated that the guild overall was being unfair, he since revealed that it was Pikkurinku who had chosen to leave me out of all raids that week... maybe he doesn't like me because I left Chapter.. even though it was only because of the same thing. Regardless I do not think positions of power should be given to people that use personal reasons to make rash decisions that affect others greatly.

It is a kick in the teeth to my situation, I am now faced considering migrating to another realm due to the lack of nice guilds (at least the leadership) that are also capable raiders. I wish I was still in Fast Forward, the guy that made me leave there because of pretty much the same reasons, except he also swore and yelled at me.. quit the game =s But aside from him they are a really nice guild and I really miss them. It seems like I am asking too much just wanting a fair chance anywhere else =(

This DramaQueen here emoquit from Chapter, because we didnt appreciate her skillz as high as Scaliers.
She did nice dps at times, but had issues with the other key parts of playing. Shes perhaps the most talented frostbomb catcher i've ever seen or will ever see, not to mention those dozens of wipes to evul ambushing bomb bots (those that circe around mimirons room). -- Wonder why we felt Scali was the better DK.

Oh well when she quit she really made an everlasting impression by crying next 2 hours crying to Anathil (Chapters melee officer) about how much Scali sucks and how awesome she actually was and what a mistake we had made.

but Nyxa, you should've been a bit more greatful to Enthack. if it had been just up to me you hadnt been in a single raid. actually you hadnt been in the guild after the day we merged.

GL in future, I hope our paths wont cross again and please try not to hide your awesomeness so well from the next guild you join, so evul officers there wont upset you.





Edited by Pikkurinku at August 17th, 2009 - 9:09 am

I have never heard such an inane load of drivel.

So it's clear how entirely self-absorbed you are Pikku, and I am not surprised, I could see you being the manipulative jerk behind the scenes. All of the above 'mistakes' you overexaggerate (because you are trying to be a jerk to me aren't you?) were honest mistakes that I made twice at most, considering that was my first ever Firefighter as well, and as for the bomb bot thing I didn't even make that mistake at all ^_^ You only think he's better because you are good friends so you side with him without even really questioning it. As for Anathil, we had a conversation, which lasted at most around 30 minutes, with sparse gaps. He kept trying to tell me things that I knew were not true, and much in the same way as you have done here, he used made up reasons to claim that Scalier was better. Even when I could point out to him that he was fibbing he would not listen, even when he knew I was right. It's impossible to even try to put across a reasonable argument to people like you, you are stubborn, egotistical, ignorant and extremely stupid. If you would open your eyes you would realise that I am way more useful, flexible, nice and polite, helpful where I can be, and even skilful than Scalier, not that that has anything to do with why you prefer him you racist pig.

It was even stated to me by several other Chapter members that if you weren't Finnish you weren't going to get into 10-man runs. Me leaving had only an indirect link to you not appreciating me at all. I don't care if you don't worship me.. sheesh I am not arrogant like you are.. but I do deserve way better than the hideous treatment that the leadership of both of these guilds have shown to me. I haven't been to Ulduar 10 for 2 months thanks to this, through no fault of my own whatsoever. If anything it is a direct statement of the direction of Lotto that the two have merged together and now Lotto has become so influenced by Pikkurinku that it condones shitty treatment of it's members.

I can see the bitterness all over your post Rinku, and it disgusts me to think that I thought you had an ounce of decency in you. Oh and it seems you also point out how you directly wanted to be unfair to me and nasty to me, in an identical bitter manner. Well done Pikku you just wrote a confession of how soulless and stupid you are.

"but nyxa, you should've beeen a bit more greatful to enthack. if it had been just up to me you hadnt been in a single raid. actually you hadnt been in the guild after the day we merged"

Lotto should never have taken you in and let you corrupt the leadership. It sure seems like you are trying to take over and dictate the guild.. and your personal grudge against me for leaving your guild and pointing out how bad it was for non-Finnish people to be there certainly leaves me in a lurch. Strangely I am starting to feel sorry for Enthack.. I feel as though you have likely been feeding him a load of utter crap about me and trying to sway him against me, it is a pity that he may not be intelligent enough to see the bitterness in you.

Do either of you ever consider anybody else as people rather than pawns in your plan?

Edit: When he says that I emoquit from Chapter.. I had been left out of a lot of raids over the two weeks preceding, and I stayed in the guild to finish off the raid week. It was after the last raid of the week when I decided it was best for me to leave. It wasn't really anything emotional at all.. nor spur of the moment or on a whim, it had been coming all week. I said goodbye and smiled and left without being nasty at all to anyone. Pikkurinku then whispered me thanking me (of all things!) and I was pleasant back and that was really it. When I was in Chapter I had been ready to switch specs and even roles if it was needed, and I had assumed that was why he was thanking me, for actually being helpful and compliant even while being treated abismally =s When they asked Scalier to switch to frost spec for icy talons.. he complained and moaned and insulted frost spec.. I really don't see any way in which he is a better asset to any guild than me, considering our differences in attitude =s It also makes me further conclude that Pikku took a disliking to me on that day, and now his personal vendetta ebs to push me out. When I left Chapter a lot of members whispered me to ask why, and I told them pretty concisely about it. Most of them were sympathetic, even agreeing that they did not blame me at all for leaving..


Edited by Nyxa at August 17th, 2009 - 10:20 am

Edited by Nyxa at August 17th, 2009 - 10:22 am

Nyxa gets the blame but Scalier walks free, rofl there is no fucking moral in WoW whatsoever. :D

Its like a constant warfare of the elitist, and no rules apply to how you achieve your goals. Just saying this because Ive experienced this too many times :P This is such a perfect example, and Ive had this on my mind ever since the merge.

Uh oh, did I start something?

 I'm eating popcorn alright.

You are fucking dead man!

Well I am sure that anyone with half a brain can see that I have some very good points.

This whole thing is totally stupid, and I am on the receiving end of such harsh treatment.

I am really starting to agree with you about the lack of morality Zortra =s